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there were more type of plagues then just bubonic... like septicemic and pneuminic. and each played a role in the deaths of those in europepk - Thursday, September 24 at 16:50:46 PDT |
What are your references? I saw a special on this a few years back and I'm trying to write a paper for my Immunology class about it but I'm having such a difficult time finding information about this subject. It was just by luck that I stumbled upon your paper!Harold - Tuesday, October 06 at 15:16:22 PDT |
How do we explain the genetic mutation, Delta 32, only in English, German and Scandinavian populations when we all know that the bubonic plague affected every part of the globe? Is it not strange that Black people, most of whom have lived in Africa where the HIV is purported to have originated from, have not developed resistance against the virus while the opposite is true with people of Caucasian who were least exposed to the virus? If the black plague is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis, how does immunity against the disease become immunity to a virus (HIV) caused disease? What proof is there that the chemokine receptors in Black people have not been genetically manipulated to make their population more vulnerable to the genetically engineered HIV? Tawanda - Thursday, October 08 at 00:50:10 PDT |
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Tawanda, I don't think the bubonic plague was worldwide. It definitely hit Europe, North Africa, and Asia, but I don't know if it hit worldwide, but I could be wrong. I think the reason why Delta 32 occurs in those specific populations is because of when the mutation took place. It must have taken place AFTER the humans that got to Europe left Africa. This same mutation may have occurred to Asian populations as well, but maybe it never passed on. We also know that since a large chunk of the European population does have the mutated gene, it must be a relatively old mutation (must have been passed on over many generations). The reason that black people may not have resistance is because a mutation is NOT an adaptation. It is a random event that can't be predicted of forced, for the most part. Both the black plague virus and HIV virus require breakage into the cell. The chemokine receptors that allow a bacteria or virus to do this play a crucial role in allowing this to happen. If the HIV/AIDS virus or Yersinia pestis bacteria can't break into the cell and work its magic to multiply and spread itself, then it will just get destroyed by white blood cells in the bloodstream. This is why Chris, above, is immune to HIV/AIDS. The virus can't break into his cells since there are no chemokine receptors. Lastly, are you trying to say that someone or something has genetically changed black people in Africa in order to make them more susceptible to HIV/AIDS? That is not possible. You can't force a mutation that will create chemokine receptors. Most people in the world have them, not just black people. There may be a way to genetically create a strong HIV virus that targets one group of people, but that would be cruel, and no one in their right mind who do that... I hope. Bottom line is, HIV/AIDS began when Africans ate other primate brains. Africans are more susceptible because the local population of the disease is there. Also, having one HIV allele is not bad. Having two will kill you, but having one gives you resistance to malaria, which kills a lot of Africans as well. That is how HIV is still in the population. Having one allele is actually an advantage and those people usually live on. Sam - Tuesday, January 12 at 10:25:09 PST |
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there s a lot of WRONG information of the bubonic plaue here. If you have access to the internet, use it, instead of just guessing and passing along false info. First, It started in the East, was brough to Sicily and that travlled North. Second only bubonic and pmuemonic plague are the ony ones related. Pneumonic is the result of the evolution of bubonic so that it is not passed by fleas but by the sputum of one human to another. Obout one third of the Eurpoean population died, particularly those in urban areas, where they were in close contacts, and it was passed in the pneumonic form. Comparing other "plagues" to bubonic is like comparing small pox to pheumonic. lague is not a medical classification and the others are different dypes of disease.medievalist - Sunday, July 11 at 20:21:17 PDT |
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there is no proof to support evolution causing one species to change into another, none.
minor variations like the gene mutation you described or finches with specialized beaks, certainly. a man with a different gene is not a different species, neither is a finch with a different beak, and they did not evolve into new species. the bible theory is also false.
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Tawanda, Your question is similar to asking why people in Africa don't have blond hair.Jacob Cherian - Thursday, June 16 at 02:42:24 PDT |
I am retired from the USDA Forest Service, in which I served as a Research Plant Geneticist from 1967 to 2000. So I have no problem with the discussion of evolution you have given above. However, I have a small problem with Stephen Darksyde's claim that "The result might have been a veritable stew of new superbugs able to overcome the resistance humans had developed to prior strains ove thousands of generations". While that is a plausible assertion, It seems to me that it is more likely that the primary agent, Yersinia pestis, was due the the gene that was most directly affected, and that all those other genes were only indirectly affected . In a later parapraph you describe how the resistance gene has become much more frequent in precisely those countries in which the epidemic was most severe, which is historically, I think, the most common effect of the damage to populations directly affected by large scale infestations. For evolution to happen in a significant way, the deaths of many individuals in a population must occur to select for resitance to the deleterious gene involved.
I will be happy to discuss this issue further with anyone interested. -Tim LaFarge, Ph.D. Retired Research Plant Geneticist, 863 Foerster Street, San Francisco, CA 9427-2307.Timothy LaFarge, Ph.D. - Wednesday, August 24 at 11:56:18 PDT |
While this is a fascinating article, what it is describing is micro-evolution, evolution within a species. Micro-evolution is accepted as a fact. It is, however, a different thing than macro-evolution, which is what you are trying to defend. These two levels of evolution are not mutually inclusive, and proving micro-ev. does not then prove macro-ev.Kathy - Saturday, October 01 at 19:57:09 PDT |
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